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PostSubject: Discussion 1 ( Week 6)   Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:48 am

Discuss the characteristic of Independent Sign Language (ISL). Give an example.
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PostSubject: ASL   Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:30 am

ASL requires facial expression.. Eye gazes, eye shifts, clenched teeth, and head tilts are examples of gestures and facial expressions used to convey ideas of distance and direction.. what do u think guys? i'm so excited to know more.. tell me.. tell me bounce
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion 1 ( Week 6)   Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:33 am

the characteristics of ISL are word structure and the syntax. Word structure is complex and is use only for verbs.
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion 1 ( Week 6)   Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:35 am

One of the thee characteristics of ISL is movement. ASL signers are able to derive nouns from verbs, such 'forgiveness' from 'forgive' by manipulating the speed, tension or rate of repetition.
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion 1 ( Week 6)   Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:36 am

i just find out that chimpanzee also use ISL to learn a language.. wow, interesting.. Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion 1 ( Week 6)   Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:37 am

ASL is an independent sign language... the way this sign language being convey is more interesting since it requires one's to do facial expression when delivering their intention.. ASL user need to make sure their facial expression is suitable with the situation because different facial expression gave different interpertation... study
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion 1 ( Week 6)   Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:41 am

adjusting the movement of a sign by changing the speed or tension or rate of repetition gives ASL signers the ability to derive nouns from verbs such as 'comparison' from 'compare'.. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion 1 ( Week 6)   Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:42 am

There are 3 basic components of ISLs namely hand configuration, place of articulation, and also movement. Hand configuration involves the shape that the hand forms. Place of articulation deals with where in space the hand formed, whereas movement means how the hand moves.
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion 1 ( Week 6)   Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:43 am

Signs of ISL are analysed in 3 components.
- Hand Configuration : the shape hand forms
- Place of Articulation : the space where hand is formed
- Movement : how the hand moves

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PostSubject: Re: Discussion 1 ( Week 6)   Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:43 am

ASL is actually one of the top sign language being used.... although it is one of the famous sign language, there is the possibility that BSL user does not understand what ASL user are showing them.. Exclamation

although it is not a spoken language, it have the fundamental features.. such as rules of pronounciation, word orders and grammar...
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PostSubject: Characteristic of ISL    Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:43 am

sunny

I choose British Sign Language cheers

  • The language makes use of space and involves movement of the hands, body, face and head.


  • Two aspects of BSL are Phonology and Grammar


  • Like many other sign languages, BSL phonology is defined by elements such as hand shape, orientation, location, and motion


  • BSL uses a topic–comment structure


BSL is distinct with ASL, ISL and FSL. It has its own code, manually differ from Signed English.



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PostSubject: ISL   Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:44 am

Hmmm...the vocabulary of ISL is very similar to pantomime gestures, which are used in modern theatre n Indian classical dance...
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PostSubject: American Sign Language...   Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:45 am

cheers For deaf children, in acquiring the first language, they tend to go through stages of language acquisition similar to normal hearing children...Asl is a way of communication where the facial expression and body language takes into account which comprises of a different vocabulary and grammar than spoken language...but however Asl is a complete language...surprisingly thay even happen to have baby talk for Asl language too..
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PostSubject: Discussion 1 ( Week 6)   Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:46 am

ISL is no doubt an expressive language. Various face expression deliver distinct meaning. So, an individual has to be aware of his or her face expression because people might misunderstood the real intention of the conversation
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion 1 ( Week 6)   Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:47 am

Admin wrote:
Discuss the characteristic of Independent Sign Language (ISL). Give an example.

ASL is a natural language, as proven to the satisfaction of the linguistic community by William Stokoe, and contains phonology, morphology, semantics, syntax and pragmatics just like spoken languages. Like other sign languages, it is a manual language and a visual language: information is encoded not in sounds but with the shape and movement of the hands and other parts of the body, and with facial expressions, including mouthing. Sign languages are commonly misunderstood as being gestural, but while gesture is used in sign languages just as it is in spoken languages (and indeed home sign is largely gestural), a sign language is fundamentally different from gesture in what it conveys and how it conveys it. (From Wikipedia)

The American Sign Language (ASL) has three basic component/characteristics:

1. Hand Configuration
2. Places of articulation
3. Movement

The hand configuration refers to the shape of the hand forms to form the content of the message. Accuracy is key. The signer needs to be sure that the fingers are in the correct positions. For example, the letters “e” and “o” are frequently confused if not signed distinctly.

The place of articulation refers to where in space the hand is formed. Different space where the hand is formed brings different message. The position of the hand (near the forehead, near the chin, chest level, etc) can totally change the meaning of a word. For instance, the same hand shape and motion are used for brother (starting at the forehead) or sister (starting at the jaw line), but can alter the meaning of a sentence. A “b” classifier tapped at the chin may be a name sign. This is a common location for many name signs, as is the left shoulder. But move that “b” to the forehead and it becomes a word not generally welcome in polite company.

Lastly, the movement refers to how the hand moves. For example, the “b” classifier when pulled down the side of the face means “brown”. If pulled down by the chin, usually in two quick pulls, it means “beer”. In order to relieve the confusion, some Deaf people are altering the sign for “brown” to an up and down chopping motion just out from the right shoulder (if using the right hand). Take that same “b” and twist it back and forth at the wrist, it means “blue”


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PostSubject: Re: Discussion 1 ( Week 6)   Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:47 am

Mia Shamsudin wrote:
i just find out that chimpanzee also use ISL to learn a language.. wow, interesting.. Shocked


WOOAHHH??? REALLYYY?? affraid
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion 1 ( Week 6)   Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:47 am

There are three characteristics of ISLs. There are hand configuration, place of articulation and movement. Hand configuration is how the hand form the shape. Whereas place of articulation is how the hand move within a space. In the other hand, movement is the hand movement or motion.
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion 1 ( Week 6)   Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:49 am

nadia_balqis wrote:
Admin wrote:
Discuss the characteristic of Independent Sign Language (ISL). Give an example.

ASL is a natural language, as proven to the satisfaction of the linguistic community by William Stokoe, and contains phonology, morphology, semantics, syntax and pragmatics just like spoken languages. Like other sign languages, it is a manual language and a visual language: information is encoded not in sounds but with the shape and movement of the hands and other parts of the body, and with facial expressions, including mouthing. Sign languages are commonly misunderstood as being gestural, but while gesture is used in sign languages just as it is in spoken languages (and indeed home sign is largely gestural), a sign language is fundamentally different from gesture in what it conveys and how it conveys it. (From Wikipedia)

The American Sign Language (ASL) has three basic component/characteristics:

1. Hand Configuration
2. Places of articulation
3. Movement

The hand configuration refers to the shape of the hand forms to form the content of the message. Accuracy is key. The signer needs to be sure that the fingers are in the correct positions. For example, the letters “e” and “o” are frequently confused if not signed distinctly.

The place of articulation refers to where in space the hand is formed. Different space where the hand is formed brings different message. The position of the hand (near the forehead, near the chin, chest level, etc) can totally change the meaning of a word. For instance, the same hand shape and motion are used for brother (starting at the forehead) or sister (starting at the jaw line), but can alter the meaning of a sentence. A “b” classifier tapped at the chin may be a name sign. This is a common location for many name signs, as is the left shoulder. But move that “b” to the forehead and it becomes a word not generally welcome in polite company.

Lastly, the movement refers to how the hand moves. For example, the “b” classifier when pulled down the side of the face means “brown”. If pulled down by the chin, usually in two quick pulls, it means “beer”. In order to relieve the confusion, some Deaf people are altering the sign for “brown” to an up and down chopping motion just out from the right shoulder (if using the right hand). Take that same “b” and twist it back and forth at the wrist, it means “blue”

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PostSubject: Re: Discussion 1 ( Week 6)   Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:49 am

Nabil_Usagina wrote:
Mia Shamsudin wrote:
i just find out that chimpanzee also use ISL to learn a language.. wow, interesting.. Shocked


WOOAHHH??? REALLYYY?? affraid


wohoho...seriously??? Shocked Shocked Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion 1 ( Week 6)   Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:49 am

facial expression do contribute in ASL.. different facial expression Very Happy Smile Sad Surprised Shocked Cool Laughing Mad Razz Embarassed Crying or Very sad Evil or Very Mad Twisted Evil Rolling Eyes Wink , different meaning...
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion 1 ( Week 6)   Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:50 am

I used to think I was able to use an ISL, but turns out I was wrong. A sign language is a true language, a language of its own. Users of American Sign Language might not understand users of the British Sign Language, suprisingly! And apparently using that one specific finger is not part of ISL. It's something universal that the whole world understands.  rabbit
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion 1 ( Week 6)   Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:51 am

yes peah.. they teach chimpanzee to learn a language by using sign language.. and now i really curious to know if we can also teach others animal to communicate using sign language.. need to study more.. study Sleep lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion 1 ( Week 6)   Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:51 am


In American Sign Language
(ASL), the sign for "Sign Language" is a combination of the signs for each word.
"Sign" is indicated by pointing the index fingers inward and circling them around each other.
"Language" is signed by forming the letter "L" with each hand and, beginning at the center of the body, moving each hand outward.


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PostSubject: Re: Discussion 1 ( Week 6)   Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:51 am

it is important to get the facial expressions right when using ASL. u don't want to offense others right? bounce
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PostSubject: BSL word ordering   Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:52 am

One of the things that people struggle to understand when learning BSL is how the word ordering differs from English. For example, consider the sentence ‘Why was the black cat climbing the tree in your garden yesterday?’. This would be translated to ‘yesterday your garden tree black cat climb why?’. In BSL, words are normally ordered as follows:

Timeline (yesterday)
Location (your garden)
Object (tree)
Subject (black cat)
Verb (climb)
Question (why)

This is a simple example but can be used to help translate any English to BSL. Note that things like ‘and’, ‘because’ and ‘he said’ split a sentence into multiple parts and should be treated individually.

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